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You may be familiar with the company that highlights its expertise with the tagline, “We know a thing or two, because we’ve seen a thing or two.” That phrase could equally be applied to the ministry of Wayne and Linda Slay. Wayne’s currently serving as senior pastor of First Baptist Church in Josephine, Texas, where the Slays share wisdom from years of experience, including a 43-year marriage, with a growing flock of millennials who are thronging to the church due to Wayne’s fatherly influence. While Linda prefers a role in the background, her support and willingness to jump in wherever she’s needed has kept their ministry humming.

“She helps make a small church run,” Wayne said.

The little town of Josephine, located about an hour northeast of Dallas, is a community of young families. Wayne says he sees people wanting to have a good marriage, but what they really need is a plan of how to have one. They need somebody with Godly wisdom and direction.

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#Marriagetakeswork | Hometown Pastor Encourages Marriages through No-Nonsense Wisdom, Lifetime Experience

 

You may be familiar with the company that highlights its expertise with the tagline, “We know a thing or two, because we’ve seen a thing or two.” That phrase could equally be applied to the ministry of Wayne and Linda Slay. Wayne’s currently serving as senior pastor of First Baptist Church in Josephine, Texas, where the Slays share wisdom from years of experience, including a 43-year marriage, with a growing flock of millennials who are thronging to the church due to Wayne’s fatherly influence. While Linda prefers a role in the background, her support and willingness to jump in wherever she’s needed has kept their ministry humming.

“She helps make a small church run,” Wayne said.

The little town of Josephine, located about an hour northeast of Dallas, is a community of young families. Wayne says he sees people wanting to have a good marriage, but what they really need is a plan of how to have one. They need somebody with Godly wisdom and direction.

“They are looking for answers but getting bad advice from the world,” Wayne said. “That’s why marriage ministry is important to me, so many things could be an easy fix. I preach a series on difficult things in marriage or parenting to help them navigate.”

When he sits down to coach couples, Wayne puts them at ease, telling them, “You are not going to tell me anything I haven’t heard before. There’s nothing new under the sun. Your marriage is not unique. We all struggle with the same things. When they hear how others have dealt with things, it gives them hope. They realize their marriage isn’t as bad as they thought it was.”

He sees couples who don’t know how to communicate and, unfortunately, many who have had affairs or have brought baggage into second marriages. Wayne and Linda recently introduced Re-Engage to three couples in Josephine, the start of what they hope will be a growing ministry there.

Wayne first found Re-Engage when he was serving as the family pastor in Waxahachie, Texas. The church had a strong Celebrate Recovery program that helped people struggling with addictions but no option for those who needed help with their marriage. His schedule was full of marriage counseling appointments. He attended a training conference at Watermark church, poured into a handful of leaders and kicked off the program with 65 couples. Eventually the Slays led the ministry that took 500 couples through Re-Engage over the course of seven years. Wayne encouraged Linda to overcome her natural reticence and speak on stage. “It took a lot for her to tell her story.”

Wayne and Linda have a history of partnering in ministry together. When he was a youth pastor, a position he held for 25 years, she would lead Bible study for the girls. Summers, she accompanied him to camp until the responsibility of raising their three sons took priority. As Wayne’s career segued from pastoring youth to their parents, Linda joined him in ministering to couples. “She was in it from the beginning,” Wayne said. “We meet with couples as a team, and she asks the follow-up questions. Her gift is in hospitality, and she’s full of compassion and mercy. My gifts are prophecy and exhortation. We balance each other. She’s good at helping me listen to what they are saying and cueing me how best to respond.”

“We complement each other in gifts and abilities,” Wayne added. They’ve seen lives transformed by Re-Engage. He remembers one couple that had both had affairs.

“They didn’t know how to love each other. The idea that your role in marriage is to out-serve your spouse was a foreign concept! I saw the lightbulb go off. Here’s the secret, once you figure it out, it’s not as hard as you think,” Wayne said.

During the pandemic, not only did Wayne use the time to earn his Mental Health Coach certification through the American Academy of Christian Counselors (AACC) with extensive studies in Marriage and Family ministry, the Slays put together their book: #Marriagetakeswork: A six-week journey to reconnect with your spouse. They had written blogs under the Marriagetakeswork hashtag and decided to expand that content into a more purposeful devotional guide. Wayne wrote the entries, while Linda researched scriptural context.

They bill the book as a six-week guide to help couples “examine your marriage and your life, giving you actions points to work on for each day,” from the forward. Each entry includes a scripture reference and a simple prayer. At the end of the week, there’s a suggested date activity. The book opens with “I think we can all agree that a great marriage doesn’t just happen by accident.”

Wayne said he wrote the book for men who want to understand how to do the right thing. It’s very simple and practical, not theological.

Each chapter includes quotes from real people the Slays know who have been married at least 30 years. “Do the dishes,” was one friend’s humorous recommendation. The book covers a relationship with Christ, communication, conflict, sex, self-reflection and what’s next.

An example from week three addresses communication. The entry asks couples to read Ephesians 4:2, “With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love.” They are encouraged to pray that they will see the differences in their spouse as positive qualities. The action point is to ask their spouse how they like to be communicated with and discuss how to be more effective. The date idea – restaurant hop to three different spots for appetizer, dinner and dessert. (Selections needn’t be expensive.) Conversation starter questions for each location are included. “Who was your favorite band growing up and what was your favorite song?” is one of the suggestions.

“Most couples either don’t know how to communicate or are in a rut,” Wayne said. “We talk about hitting the virtual reset button. People can get mad, and the next thing they are separated – over something stupid! I can meet with a couple and within 10 minutes tell you what their problems are: not knowing how to communicate, being on separate pages on sex or finances, tit-for-tat scorekeeping. When couples realize they are a team rather than competitors it changes how they think. They can disagree without getting mad.”

“When you are fighting, don’t stop saying, ‘I love you, we’re going to get through this,’” Wayne advised. “When somebody’s insecure, they think their spouse doesn’t love them anymore. They don’t even realize what they are doing.”

Wayne hopes pastors will share #Marriagetakeswork with couples they coach. The book is a great tool because it starts with who a person is and leads to plans for the future, he said. 

The Slays have told their own marriage stories at conferences in the United States and as far away as Ghana, Africa, Honduras and El Salvador.

Linda advises to keep your marriage a priority even when your children are young and never quit dating. Wayne admits if he had to do it over again, he wouldn’t take himself so seriously. Remember you are a team, and you’ll deal with whatever comes your way together. He also added that each spouse has the responsibility to deal with their own issues from their past and not allow them to affect their spouse.

Now in the empty nest years and nine grandchildren later, the Slays recognize how their continued focus on their own marriage has paid dividends. “Every year we get away,” Wayne said. “Change of pace + change of place = change of perspective. Couples drift so often. I never met anyone who planned on having an affair, but I’ve met a lot who have. Don’t ever take your marriage for granted.”

Written by Amy Morgan

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